User talk:The Keymaster

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Thanks for fixing up the Donald Leifert page

I created it way back in 2010 (when I was pretty inexperienced with editing on here) and it definitely needs some more work, as some could argue that certain parts might run afoul of MOS:OVERLINK for instance. So, I'll see if I can do a little more to improve it soon. --Historyday01 (talk) 13:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Historyday01: No problem! I'm glad people like us care enough to preserve the legacies of relatively obscure folks like this. I was surprised Leifert even had a page here. As for editing, I've found it's a continual learning experience. I've certainly made edits in the past that I'm downright embarrassed by now.—The Keymaster (talk) 09:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weird Al liner notes

Hi Keymaster! Just a heads up: I think I was the one that added that note about Weird Al re-releases not containing liner notes. I believe it was because someone brought it up in a GAN review, perhaps? Either way, I don't intend to revert or anything; I just wanted to explain. :) Cheers!--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 18:25, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gen. Quon Interesting! If you find that GAN review, can you let me know? I'm curious to see what would have provoked such an odd critique. From what I know of the MOS, if we are citing the original liner notes directly, that should suffice. (Come to think of it, this is actually semi-related to an issue I'm currently trying to get resolved with regards to album information being sourced from and following the format of the original release.) Technically, the MOS implies that liners don't even need to be formally cited, and refs are only needed when there's pertinent info that's not contained in that release's notes, but I'm finding it's better to cite them anyway to prevent confusion.

It's clear a lot of care and love went into the Al pages, and I'm basically just tidying and fixing the personnel listings for better accuracy and to make them more up to typical WP standards. It seems a lot of the odder aspects of those pages are leftovers from a very long time ago. Anyway, thanks for commenting. The Keymaster (talk) 03:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to see if I can find it. It also might've been motivated by comments that I received when working on TV show articles; some people requested formal citations for plot summaries, airdates, cast lists, etc. Ever since, I've tended to provide these citations (even though they, like you mention, are almost certainly redundant) just to be safe! It's an interesting issue: Primary sources are OK to use as implicit sources, so long as OR is avoided. Sometimes that's super easy, but other times, it gets tricky. Either way, I appreciate your efforts! (I worked on a lot of those Weird Al articles 10+ years ago when I was not nearly as competent of an editor, so I think the occasional scrubbin' to buff away issues and bring 'em up to snuff is never a bad thing!)--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gen. Quon I know how you feel. I began dabbling in editing here 16 years ago but only feel like I started to somewhat know what I'm doing within the last few years. You've got me thinking that maybe I should leave the footnote about the disappearing liner notes if I should come across it again, lest I incur the wrath of one of these editors you're mentioning. Haha. I plan on tidying up the personnel sections for the remaining AL-bums in the next day or two.

BTW, I briefly met Al back in 2001. I saw a Ben Folds show at a bowling alley in Los Angeles and Al was in the audience, about five feet to my left, so I said a quick hello and shook his hand. He surprised the heck out of me when he got up on stage and sang "Song for the Dumped" with Ben as an encore.

Cheers! The Keymaster (talk) 11:31, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's super cool. I've seen a few shows of his, but have yet to actually meet him. I've heard he's very nice, though! As an aside, have you read Weird Al: Seriously? I just got it the other day, and it's very interesting. I'm hoping to eventually integrate some of what I read into existing articles.--Gen. Quon_[Talk] 01:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd never heard of that book until now, but that sounds great. Al doesn't get nearly enough credit for his musicianship, arranging skills, etc. Also, I love having an actual library of books to draw from when editing articles. It really comes in handy sometimes. The Keymaster (talk) 07:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You know what, I've been meaning to be better at awarding these, so here, have this:

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	In recognition of your efforts to make many of Weird Al's articles even weirder better, I award you this barnstar! :) Gen. Quon_[Talk] 14:42, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's very kind of you! Thanks so much. The Keymaster (talk) 11:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In appreciation

		The Good Article Rescue Barnstar
		This is presented to you by the GAR process in recognition of your sterling work in helping Flaming Pie retain its Good Article status. Please feel free to display the GA icon on your userpage. Keep up the good work! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:49, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thank you! The Keymaster (talk) 20:44, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please undo one edit from the credits for the Oingo Boingo EP

Greetings to The Keymaster! You have very impressive credentials!

You removed Dan Schmidt as the keyboardist on the Oingo Boingo EP. The following evidence shows he played keyboards on the Oingo Boingo EP, so please add him to the credits.

The inner sleeve of the Oingo Boingo EP is shown here, which states "Special thanx to .. Dan Schmitt ...". https://danschmidt.net/boingo_.php

Although they misspelled his name, this can also be verified here: https://www.nts.live/artists/38750-daniel-w-schmidt https://www.last.fm/music/Daniel+W.+Schmidt BeNiceToMeDammit (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BeNiceToMeDammit Personally, I wouldn't change it. As per WP:RSP, last.fm cannot be used as a source and Dan's own website is self-published and as I see it would probably fall under WP:ABOUTSELF. (As it's a claim about Oingo Boingo, that would qualify as a third party, I believe.) WP:SPS says it best: if the information in question is suitable for inclusion, someone else will likely have published it in independent, reliable sources. Also, we can't include things like "special thanks" from liner notes in the Personnel section, as per WP:PERSONNEL. (Flea's work on So-Lo would be a notable exception, since he's specifically credited in the liner notes for his bass work.) There is a similar problem with David Eagle, who is often credited with playing on the EP, even though I have yet to find a solid, reliable, published source for that information. Actually, come to think of it, none of the band members should technically be credited in the Personnel section, since none of them are listed in the liner notes. So I will probably be removing those as well, unless we can find a reliable, published source that credits them. The Keymaster (talk) 02:04, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply!

Is NTS_Radio a valid source for a citation?
If I add https://www.nts.live/artists/38750-daniel-w-schmidt as a citation to Oingo Boingo (EP), can I then add "Dan Schmidt - keyboards" under Personnel at Oingo Boingo (EP)?

BeNiceToMeDammit (talk) 23:09, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, can I add a link to the image of the inner sleeve (https://danschmidt.net/ep5.jpg) to Oingo Boingo (EP) (directly beneath the image of the record cover)?

BeNiceToMeDammit (talk) 23:14, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please also confirm that I can add some factual information from Schmidt's website (https://danschmidt.net/boingo_.php), pertaining to the recording of the EP: such as the keyboard that was used, and the fact that Jo Julian (the producer) was in the band Berlin, who Oingo Boingo opened for several at Madame Wongs. I think this will interest the readers of the this article.

BeNiceToMeDammit (talk) BeNiceToMeDammit (talk) 00:50, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BeNiceToMeDammit No, in my estimation, you cannot use nts.live. That appears to be a database site and those can't be used as references, as they are usually user-generated content. As for Dan's website, again, I would not use any of that, as it is a self-published website. I don't doubt Dan played for the band, but if no liner notes or secondary sources can be found that explicitly detail the extent of his involvement, we simply can't add it. That would fall under the umbrella of what is called original research. Thanks. The Keymaster (talk) 01:41, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is this information acceptable for this article:

A link to the image of the inner sleeve (https://danschmidt.net/ep5.jpg)
The dates and locations that Oingo Boingo opened up for the band Berlin (which is verified by the newspaper clippings at https://danschmidt.net/boingo_.php). This is relevant because Jo Julian (the producer of the EP) was in the band Berlin.

BeNiceToMeDammit (talk) 02:04, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BeNiceToMeDammit No, please do not add any of that. Once again, it's from a self-published site, which is not allowed. Also, the EP sleeve only gives a vague "thanks" to Dan and doesn't explain his involvement. We cannot add "thank you" credits to Personnel sections. The Keymaster (talk) 02:26, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Article status of The Long and Winding Road under review

I have nominated The Long and Winding Road for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria, or help improve the article. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regard to the article's featured status (see review instructions). George Ho (talk) 04:33, 4 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]