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Hey @FOARP. Your wiki edit anniversary is today, marking 18 years of dedicated contributions to English Wikipedia. Your passion for sharing knowledge and your remarkable contributions have not only enriched the project, but also inspired countless others to contribute. Thank you for your amazing contributions. Wishing you many more wonderful years ahead in the Wiki journey. :) -❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 08:35, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Foarp,

Something I've noticed in the RFC on the "Populated, legally recognized places" standard it that folks are all over the board on what "officially recognized populated place" actually means and what type of sourcing is sufficient. Here's an idea I came up with for workshopping this to try and find some sort of consensus:

I wanted to see what your thoughts would be on adding this to the current RfC discussion or using it as a future RfC or informal talk page topic. The wording could definitely be tweaked, It kind of presupposes the use of "populated place" but I wasn't sure what other term to use. –dlthewave ☎ 21:46, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly just despair at the way this discussion has gone. Particularly the people who think there's nothing wrong with this standard, just that GNG should apply, or the problem is "only" that people are treating the standard as a complete pass on SIGCOV... FOARP (talk) 22:32, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I feel the same way, I thought these questions might shed some light on what people think the SNG means vs how it works in practice but we're probably not going to get a productive discussion at this point. It's the same "The guideline already says XYZ, we just have to enforce it" that we saw at NSPORTS. –dlthewave ☎ 15:28, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NSPORTS2022 did eventually get over the line. I don't think these are bad questions, my main doubt is just whether anyone's even listening at this point. FOARP (talk) 15:35, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Having thought about this a bit more, I think the way ahead is to let the discussion get archived as the no-consensus-outcome it clearly is (assuming there is no unexpected avalanche of !votes either way) and then point out the obvious: this is an important notability guide. A discussion of this kind for any other major notability guide on EN WP would be WP:SNOW-closed as fit for purpose, but not WP:GEOLAND. It's therefore time to find a standard that can achieve consensus.

Rather than just one potential option, let's put them all down and see whether any of them are runners. This includes:

• A "Cities, towns, and villages are typically presumed notable"-style guide.
• An NSPORT2022-style one-instance-of-sigcov requirement.
• A country-by-country list.

Any others? FOARP (talk) 11:44, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Most of this message was written by Mz7 (source). Thanks, 🎃 SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 02:48, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At the AN discussion, I suggested that the restored BFDI draft be put under extended confirmed protection so that it couldn't be submitted by autoconfirmed users and put at risk of being rejected or even re-deleted to save reviewers from having any more of their time wasted. Now that BFDI is an article, that level of protection is no longer necessary. For now, it ought to be unprotected so anyone can edit it. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:32, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done. FOARP (talk) 22:06, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I need you to create a page for my soon to be released Just for Laughs film 108.88.98.49 (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. FOARP (talk) 22:06, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Appears to have been wiped away by natural disaster some decades past, if the aerials are any indication; it's totally gone without a trace now. Of course I cannot find any sourcing for its demise without fishing in old newspapers. This is why I hate having articles on these tiny places. Mangoe (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Just a note... the sooner the RfC regarding route tables can begin the happier I'll be... there's just too much back and forth regarding them, it's definitely tiring. The main reason I started that RSN was because of this discussion on a user talk page, which looked like it might have devolved into edit warring, so wanted to get them discussing instead. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 11:39, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The issue here is ultimately:

• Airlines have some very intense fans.
• They believe Wikipedia should host their fan-content.
• Many Wikipedians disagree with this, because they think Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a flight-catalogue/guide.

I think we need a multi-pronged RFC. I don't think it's enough to just ask people whether lists of airline routes contravene WP:NOT. I think we also need to ask whether they require WP:SIRS sourcing. Let's let the outstanding RFCs get archived first (otherwise there'll be a move to close any RFC as there's "too many" of them) and move from there. FOARP (talk) 11:47, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm… what would you suggest as the RfC then? Bear in mind I'm very much on your page here - my whole modus operandi on Wikipedia is about sourcing, and the routes tables make me cringe something awful when I see a badly sourced one (read: most of them) Danners430 _{tweaks made} 12:07, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FOARP, the RfC I opened as had no new responses for over 24 hours. I considered requesting for a close, though with only 10 days that have passed, it may not be taken well by some editors. I agree with what has been said above, the "DESTNOT" RfC and the current RfC are not a lid on the issue. I support any planned future RfC, which can ask the appropriate questions in the right way. 11WB (talk) 04:35, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You could ask for a close but it will most likely be “no consensus”. Better just to let it get archived. FOARP (talk) 04:39, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that if this RfC can claim to have achieved anything, it is that "DESTNOT" cannot be used alone as a rationale for keeping these list articles. I plan to contact the creator of that redirect at some point, to ask them to consider changing the redirect location to the current RfC. It would be incorrect for editors to continue to cite the January RfC, instead of this one, when broad scope only has a slim majority. 11WB (talk) 04:50, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, very roughly, I think at least three questions could be posed here:

• Are lists of airline services required to cite secondary, independent, reliable sources?
• Is it original research to say that an airline service that was previously announced but is now no longer listed, with no statement saying it has been terminated, has been "terminated"?
• Are exhaustive lists of all services offered by an airline, present and future, "Listings ... [of] products and services" in the sense used in WP:NOT?

FOARP (talk) 08:33, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's the last two bullet points I was planning on asking anyway, although deliberately avoiding reference to NOT for the sake of not muddying waters - effectively simply asking whether lists should be included in airport articles, or whether they should be split out or summarised instead. My thinking for the sourcing questions was to hold them separately after the initial RfC - because if the result of the first one is to remove the tables or summarise them, we may not need the second RfC on sourcing anyway… Danners430 _{tweaks made} 08:57, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think holding a multi-question RFC is the way forward here because it's highly likely that people are going to start saying "What, another RFC? We've had too many of them" and shutting down subsequent RFCs, as has happened in the past. FOARP (talk) 09:19, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm yeah that's fair… I'll dream something up and put it in the VPP discussion, just so I don't spring something different out of the blue Danners430 _{tweaks made} 09:25, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who commented in the relevant RFC and has an interest in improving coverage of obscure little villages (when they turn out to actually be villages), is there some big list of which regions of the world have been checked so far and which remain to be checked with regards to potentially dubious "populated place" entries? Is there a list of users who have been doing significant work in this area or centralised discussion hub? I will add that the Welsh "village" substub creations of Wici Rhuthun 1 need to be gone over if you all aren't already aware of it. Thanks, Passengerpigeon (talk) 01:43, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as know, there is not. There are several US states which have been done at least once: Arizona, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, N and S Dakota. We never finished California; there are other states which were partly done. As far as whole nations, maybe Iran? I know we never finished Somalia. At the moment I'm the only who appears to be working systematically (on Indiana); I can think of four other people who have done some systematic work. Mangoe (talk) 22:06, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't ping ya because you are already in the discussion, but then I thought what if they do not have notifications enabled. Anyway I mentioned you here. Polygnotus (talk) 04:54, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:VPP § RfC - The inclusion of destination lists in Airport articles. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 20:02, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Since the previous discussion, because of my poor judgement at grouping together unrelated sources, was a mess and was archived with no outcome, I've started a fresh, targeted, discussion about FR24. Pinging you because you were in the old discussion :-) Danners430 _{tweaks made} 14:38, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, things are getting a little silly and I’d appreciate a second pair of eyes…

Any chance you could take a look at the edit history of Springfield–Branson National Airport and the talk page of the other editor where the edits are being discussed? Ta! Danners430 _{tweaks made} 16:36, 27 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi FOARP. Thank you for your work on Mr. Stress. Another editor, 11WB, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

I fixed a cite error, article is fine otherwise.

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Thanks @11WB! FOARP (talk) 13:49, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! I didn't see that this was one of your articles @FOARP! I wouldn't have left feedback otherwise, as I have a personal rule not to advise administrators. Have you considered applying for or self-assigning the Autopatrolled permission to your account yet? 11WB (talk) 13:52, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I like having other eyes on my articles because they're far from perfect. If you think it's a drag on reviewers I can add it though. FOARP (talk) 13:54, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The new pages feed doesn't show any other articles waiting to be reviewed, so that's completely up to you! You pass the 25 article minimum criteria and you have 2 GAs. Recent articles look fine! If I were able to assign the permission, I would have no issue with applying it! AP is pretty safe anyway, as it gives the ability to unreview, so that a reviewer can then take a look! 11WB (talk) 13:58, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

TBH I thought I already had autopatrolled. But yeah, sure, if it's going to be an issue. FOARP (talk) 15:01, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

I'm leaving this message because you contributed to the recent RfC regarding the inclusion of airport destination lists. As promised, now that that RfC has closed, I've initiated a further discussion about the sourcing standards to be applied to these lists.

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Cheers! Danners430 _{tweaks made} 15:16, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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AFAIK, you based your evidence in ARBPIA 5 totally on User:BilledMammal/ARBPIA RM statistics. (Did you note any diffs in your evidence that weren't given in BM's table? Did you check that AndreJustAndre never voted?) I have outlined some of the problems in using BM's material here: User_talk:Guerillero#As_requested, cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:56, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

No, I collected it myself, not using BM's statistics - I hadn't even seen his submissions when I entered my evidence and still have not actually read them in detail so I have no idea whether I did or did not include any diffs that he did not: but since you are the one raising this unfounded accusation, maybe you should actually check? Or indeed should have checked before making these accusations?

I had noticed the "Massacre"/"Not Massacre" issue long before, whilst closing RMs.

Asilvering hasn't allowed me to respond to you accusations in the discussion, so perhaps, in fairness, you should just strike your original accusation? FOARP (talk) 22:03, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Read wp:npa accusing a user of saying something they have not said is not acceptable. Slatersteven (talk) 13:54, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what you are referring to. Please explain. FOARP (talk) 13:57, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You have accused me of refusing to allow any change in an article (including punctuation, grammer and spelling) in an article that has had 7 (unchallenged) changes this month (alone). Slatersteven (talk) 14:31, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This is also not something I have said, shall we swap templates and call it quits? FOARP (talk) 14:33, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

[[1]] and [[2]] and [[3]] all replied to me, so if you were not talking about my edits (the edits you were objecting to) who were you talking about? Slatersteven (talk) 14:39, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Since I said you weren't a partisan Steve, it's pretty obvious I wasn't referring to you.

I feel this response is part and parcel of the rigid mind-set we discussed previously. However, if you would genuinely like me to state that you do permit edits for "punctuation, grammer, and spelling" I am happy to say that. FOARP (talk) 14:46, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Then why reply to me with it, if it's not about me or anything I said it has no relevance to our discussion. We were not discusing ridged mind sets, were discussing my rejection of your edits. Can you really not see how that looks? Slatersteven (talk) 14:50, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Well then let me allay any suspicion or doubt - you do indeed permit edits for "punctuation, grammer, and spelling". I'm sorry if anyone was ever placed under the misimpression that anyone ever thought otherwise. FOARP (talk) 14:55, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

and having a ridged mind set? Slatersteven (talk) 14:58, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think only you can answer whether you think that is a fair or unfair appreciation of your editing. If you would really like me to list the discussions this is based on I can do that, but I don't want to engage in what might be an overly-personal discussion for you unless you want me to. FOARP (talk) 15:12, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

NPA is clear, and saying "AHH but I did not say YOU" is not a get out, either make an accusation or stop insinuating, my last word, it is now a warning, Slatersteven (talk) 15:27, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Steve, to say that RUSUKR is an area with dug-in partisans is hardly a controversial statement - it's the entire reason why it is a CTOP - nor is it "insinuating" anything to say so.

I recommend opening an ANI discussion because I cannot for the life of me work out what it is you are actually asking for at this point. I gave you the statement you appeared to be asking for - that you did actually allow edits for punctuation grammer and spelling - but that was not enough. Perhaps you will get whatever it is there? FOARP (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Guideline and policy news

• The content of Wikipedia:Writing articles with large language models has been updated following a request for comment. It now prohibits using LLMs to generate content, with exceptions for translation and copy-editing.

Arbitration

• Following a motion, the GSCASTE extended-confirmed restriction in the Indian military history case has been narrowed. It now applies to caste-related topics in South Asia, and the preemptive protection remedy has been amended accordingly.
• The arbitration case Pbsouthwood has been closed.
• The arbitration case Maghreb has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 7 April.